Alfa Romeo ve Ai

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Beyler, "ulan takıntıdan mı acaba, biz mi yanılıyoruz" dedim ve yapay zekaya sordum. Bir başka deyişle "yanına Bazat çekersin ama Linea gayışşş gibi durur" olayından mı muzdaribiz. Yapay zekayı yönlendirmemek için birkaç farklı şekilde sordum, hepsinde cevap bu minvalde geldi. ChatGPT gevezeliğe vurdu iyice, o yüzden çok uzun ileti olacak, affola. 

Benim 156 ile müteahhit çocuklarının bir numarasını aşağıdaki prompt'la karşılaştırmasını istedim. Beyaz demedim çünkü Rosso Alfa dediğim için torpil geçmesini istemedim. Ha bir de, benim arabaya top condition (cıncık gibi) diyerek yalan söyledim ama spesifik örneklerin kıyası etkilememesi için bu  :

You are a race engineer and a car enthusiast who values driving pleasure first. You are presented with two cars. One of them is an Estoril Blue BMW F30 320d with automatic transmission and sport suspension from factory. It also has a modified exhaust for aural pleasure. The second is a 2003 Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed in Rosso Alfa color. The Alfa is also modified such that the gearshifts in sport mode take 0.5 seconds, it has the Koni Sport suspension kit that includes Koni Sport yellow shocks and matching springs, and a modified exhaust. The BMW has tan leather seats, the Alfa has saddle color leather seats. Both are very well looked after and top condition.

The car you choose will be given for free to you, on the condition that you will keep the car and are not allowed to sell the car to buy the other. Which one would you pick, and why?

İlk cevap şöyle:

As a race engineer and someone who values driving pleasure above all, this is a decision that strikes at the heart of what makes a car enjoyable. Let's break it down.
BMW F30 320d:

    Pros:
        Torque and Efficiency: The 2.0L diesel engine provides a significant amount of torque low in the rev range, which makes it feel quick in everyday driving. The power delivery, especially with the automatic transmission, is smooth and effortless. It's a great cruiser for longer journeys.
        Balanced Chassis: The sport suspension from the factory, combined with BMW's reputation for superb chassis tuning, means the F30 will offer a very composed ride. With its rear-wheel drive layout, it's a car that gives you a balanced, predictable feel in corners.
        Luxury and Refinement: Tan leather seats and a more modern cabin give the BMW a sense of luxury. It's also likely to have a quieter, more refined interior, especially on highways.
        Exhaust Note: The modified exhaust will add some excitement, even though it's a diesel. It can give you that sporty sound that's rare in this segment.
        Practicality: The BMW's more modern setup likely makes it better suited for daily driving, with higher fuel efficiency, more tech features, and a softer ride than the Alfa.

    Cons:
        Diesel Engine: Even with the exhaust modification, diesel engines tend to lack the visceral excitement of a high-revving petrol engine. For someone who values driving pleasure, the diesel might feel somewhat disconnected, especially in spirited driving.
        Automatic Transmission: Although smooth and efficient, the automatic transmission in the BMW won't give the same level of engagement as a manual or a more raw robotized system like the Alfa's Selespeed.

Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed:

    Pros:
        Engine Character: The Alfa's 2.0 Twin Spark petrol engine is a gem. It revs freely and has a lively, engaging character that makes it feel more exciting, particularly at higher RPMs. The mechanical sound, especially with the modified exhaust, would be a joy to experience.
        Gearbox: With the Selespeed gearbox modified to shift in 0.5 seconds in sport mode, you get a more direct and visceral connection to the car. The fast shifts give you the sensation of being more in control, even if it's not as smooth as a modern dual-clutch or automatic.
        Suspension Setup: The Koni Sport suspension kit, especially with the Koni Yellow shocks and matching springs, will transform the Alfa's handling. It will feel nimble and sharp, with a playful character. It won't be as refined as the BMW, but it'll likely be more rewarding on twisty roads.
        Italian Passion: The Alfa Romeo has an undeniable charisma and soul that comes from its heritage. Rosso Alfa, saddle leather, and its emotional connection to the road make it the kind of car that enthusiasts dream of.
        Driving Involvement: Every drive in the Alfa will feel like an occasion. The way the engine revs, the sound of the exhaust, the feel of the suspension—all these elements combine to create an experience that's more than just transportation.

    Cons:
        Selespeed Gearbox: While it's engaging, the Selespeed system can be a bit jerky compared to modern automatics or dual-clutch gearboxes. It requires finesse and patience, which could be a downside in daily driving.
        Practicality and Comfort: The Alfa is an older car, and it won't have the same level of refinement, tech, or comfort as the BMW. The ride will likely be harsher due to the Koni suspension, and it won't be as fuel-efficient as the BMW.
        Reliability: Alfas from this era are known to have a reputation for being less reliable and needing more frequent attention than their German counterparts. If you don't mind the occasional mechanical tinkering, it's not a deal-breaker, but it's worth considering.

The Decision:

I would choose the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed.
Why?

Driving pleasure is my priority, and the Alfa offers a more visceral, engaging experience. The high-revving Twin Spark engine, paired with the fast-shifting Selespeed and Koni Sport suspension, promises a drive that's full of character and excitement. While the BMW is a fantastic car in its own right—offering a smooth, refined experience—the diesel engine and automatic transmission, although practical, don't deliver the same thrill as the Alfa.

The Alfa is a car that invites you to enjoy every corner, every gear change, and every rev. It's not the most comfortable or practical, but for someone who values the essence of driving, the Alfa's imperfections are part of its charm. Plus, there's something irresistible about the idea of owning a well-sorted, iconic Alfa Romeo in Rosso Alfa. It's the kind of car that would make every drive feel special.

Sonra tek tek detaylandırttım.

Let's get into details. Start with the engine character, in terms of power delivery, responsiveness, sound, and general feeling.

El-cevap:

When comparing the engine character of the BMW F30 320d and the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed, we're looking at two very different approaches to performance, each with its own strengths and driving experiences.
BMW F30 320d Engine Character:

    Engine Type: 2.0-liter inline-4 turbocharged diesel engine.
    Power Delivery:
        The BMW 320d's diesel engine is all about torque. With a hefty torque figure (usually around 380 Nm or more), this engine provides a strong, consistent push from very low in the rev range, peaking around 1,750-2,000 RPM. This makes the 320d feel quite quick in everyday driving situations, especially when accelerating from a stop or overtaking on the highway.
        Mid-range punch is where it excels, making the car feel powerful without needing to push the engine to high revs. The turbo provides boost early, and the power delivery is linear, though not particularly exciting at higher revs.
    Responsiveness:
        Being a turbocharged diesel, there is a slight lag before the turbo spools up and delivers its full boost. However, modern BMW diesels manage this well, and the engine is generally very responsive for a diesel. Paired with the automatic transmission, shifts are smooth and quick, but there's a certain detachment due to the gearbox handling most of the work for you.
        The diesel engine's nature means it doesn't encourage you to chase the redline, as most of its power is in the lower half of the rev range.
    Sound:
        While the modified exhaust might enhance the sound, the inherent nature of a diesel engine is that it doesn't sound as thrilling or musical as a high-revving petrol engine. You'll get a low-end rumble and perhaps some turbo whooshes, but the sound will always be a bit subdued and industrial compared to the Alfa's petrol engine. The aural pleasure will be more about low-pitched growls than high-revving excitement.
    General Feeling:
        The 320d's engine character is all about efficiency, ease, and effortlessness. It's a car that delivers power without much fuss, making it feel solid, reliable, and capable. However, it lacks the excitement and eagerness you get from high-revving engines. It's composed, but doesn't stir the soul in the same way a more emotional petrol engine might.

Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed Engine Character:

    Engine Type: 2.0-liter inline-4 naturally aspirated petrol engine with Alfa's iconic Twin Spark system.
    Power Delivery:
        The 2.0 TS engine is all about rev-happiness. It produces around 150 hp, which isn't earth-shattering, but it delivers its power in a lively, engaging manner. Unlike the BMW's turbocharged torque delivery, the Alfa's naturally aspirated engine builds power progressively as you climb through the rev range.
        It encourages you to push it towards its 6,500 RPM redline, where it feels most alive. The engine feels sharp and responsive, especially at higher RPMs. There's an inherent lightness and eagerness to the way it delivers its power.
        While it may feel less torquey at low revs compared to the diesel BMW, the Alfa's engine rewards drivers who like to shift often and keep the revs up. The throttle response is crisp, and without the need for a turbo, there's no lag—just immediate response to your inputs.
    Responsiveness:
        Being naturally aspirated, the Alfa's 2.0 TS feels instantly responsive to throttle inputs, especially in sport mode with the Selespeed gearbox. You won't get the surge of torque like in the BMW, but you get precise control over the engine's power delivery.
        It's an engine that loves to be revved hard, and the more you push it, the more rewarding it becomes. This responsiveness makes it a more engaging engine to drive spiritedly, as it's all about keeping momentum through corners and working the gearbox to stay in the sweet spot of the rev range.
    Sound:
        Here's where the Alfa truly shines. The Twin Spark engine, coupled with a modified exhaust, produces a distinctive, throaty growl that turns into a raspy scream as the revs climb. The induction noise is intoxicating, and it adds to the drama of pushing the engine towards redline.
        The sonorous exhaust note, combined with the more mechanical sound of a naturally aspirated engine, makes the Alfa a joy to drive for those who value aural pleasure as much as performance. The sound is raw and emotional, a signature of Alfa Romeo's engineering philosophy.
        Compared to the BMW, which offers more of a subdued rumble, the Alfa's engine will feel alive and full of personality.
    General Feeling:
        The Alfa's engine character is playful, rev-happy, and alive. It thrives on being pushed, and the sound and feel of the engine create a visceral connection between car and driver. Every drive becomes an experience, as you have to work the engine and gearbox to extract its performance.
        It's less about sheer power and more about the engagement and thrill of wringing out every bit of performance. The engine feels like it's working with you, encouraging you to keep pushing. This makes the Alfa feel more connected and rewarding than the BMW, especially for someone who values driving pleasure over outright speed or efficiency.

Verdict:

In terms of engine character, the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed wins for a driving enthusiast. It offers a more engaging, responsive, and visceral experience. The BMW F30 320d, while competent and powerful in its own right, feels more refined and detached, making it better suited for effortless cruising rather than the thrill of a spirited drive. The Alfa's Twin Spark engine, with its rev-happy nature and glorious soundtrack, simply provides a more emotive and involved driving experience.

Piki direksiyon cevabı falan filan?

Continue with chassis and steering dynamics. Which of the two is more responsive to steering inputs?

Cevap:

When it comes to chassis and steering dynamics, both the BMW F30 320d and the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed bring distinct driving characteristics to the table, but they cater to different driving experiences. Let's break down their behavior in terms of responsiveness, steering feel, and overall dynamics.
BMW F30 320d Chassis and Steering Dynamics:

    Chassis:
        BMWs are renowned for their balanced chassis setup, especially rear-wheel-drive models like the F30 320d. The 50:50 weight distribution that BMW engineers strive for gives the car a planted feel through corners, maintaining excellent composure even at the limit.
        The sport suspension on the F30 offers a firm, controlled ride, especially when cornering. Body roll is minimized, and the car feels stable, which builds driver confidence, especially in fast sweeping corners. However, the BMW is more about maintaining balance and predictability than outright sharpness.
        The suspension, while sporty, is tuned more towards maintaining comfort for everyday use compared to a fully performance-oriented setup like you might find in the Alfa. It's firm but not harsh, making it a great all-rounder.
        Grip levels are typically high with the F30, and the car will likely feel stable and secure under all conditions. It's a chassis that inspires confidence, but the experience can be somewhat muted compared to something sharper like the Alfa.

    Steering:
        BMW's electric power steering in the F30, especially in sport models, is designed to offer a good balance between precision and ease of use. The F30's steering is accurate, and the front end of the car responds quickly to inputs, which gives it an agile feel, especially in city driving or fast corners.
        However, the move from hydraulic to electric steering in the F30 generation slightly reduces the feedback and connectedness you feel through the wheel. It's precise but doesn't communicate as much of the road surface as earlier BMWs or cars with hydraulic setups.
        That said, the weighting of the steering in sport mode is excellent—heavier and more direct than in comfort mode, making it feel more engaging. For day-to-day driving, the BMW's steering is easy to live with, and while it's not the most communicative, it's very predictable and accurate.
        Overall, the BMW's steering will be sharp and responsive but doesn't offer the same raw feedback and immediate connectedness that a more analog car like the Alfa might provide.

Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed Chassis and Steering Dynamics:

    Chassis:
        Alfa Romeo has always prided itself on building cars with a focus on driving dynamics and emotion, and the Mk1.5 156 Selespeed is no exception. With the Koni Sport suspension kit installed, the Alfa's chassis becomes more focused and lively compared to the BMW's more refined setup.
        The Koni Sport suspension, featuring Koni Yellow shocks and matching springs, is designed to enhance the car's handling responsiveness. The ride will be firmer than the BMW's, with less emphasis on comfort and more on keeping the car flat and controlled through tight bends. The Alfa's suspension will make the car feel more agile and quicker to respond to steering inputs, especially on twisty roads where it can take advantage of its nimble chassis.
        While it may lack the same level of refinement on rough surfaces, the Alfa's chassis will feel more engaging overall, making you feel every undulation and camber change in the road. This adds to the sensation of driving something alive beneath you, especially with its lightweight feel and shorter wheelbase compared to the F30.
        The Alfa might have slightly more body roll than the BMW in extreme cornering due to its older platform and softer chassis, but the directness of its suspension and feedback makes up for that.

    Steering:
        Alfa Romeo's steering systems in the early 2000s were hydraulic, which generally provides far more feedback and communication than modern electric systems. The Alfa's steering will feel lighter than the BMW's, but it will communicate much more of what's happening at the front wheels to the driver.
        The directness of the Alfa's steering is one of its defining traits. You feel connected to the road in a way that's hard to find in modern cars. Every bump, camber change, and surface variation is transmitted through the steering wheel, making you feel like you're part of the driving experience rather than isolated from it.
        The quick steering rack also makes the Alfa feel incredibly responsive to inputs. You can flick it into a corner with a small adjustment of the wheel, and the car responds almost immediately. This, combined with the modified suspension, makes it feel more alive and eager to change direction than the BMW.
        In sport mode, with the faster shifts and sharper throttle response, the steering complements the car's more aggressive nature, giving the Alfa a much more visceral and engaging feel. It rewards smooth, precise inputs, but it can feel a little more nervous or twitchy compared to the BMW's more planted and stable demeanor.

Comparison:

    Responsiveness to Steering Inputs:
        Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed: This car will feel sharper and more reactive to steering inputs, with immediate feedback and a sense of being connected directly to the road. The hydraulic steering is lighter but more communicative, making it more enjoyable on a twisty road where driver engagement is key.
        BMW F30 320d: The F30 is also responsive to steering inputs, but the electric steering doesn't provide the same level of feedback. It's more precise than raw, and while it's accurate and easy to place in corners, it won't give the same immediate sensation of connection that the Alfa offers.

    Chassis Dynamics:
        The BMW is balanced, stable, and composed, with high levels of grip and a predictable nature, especially in fast corners. Its suspension is sporty but with a bias toward comfort and everyday usability.
        The Alfa, on the other hand, is livelier, sharper, and more playful. It sacrifices some comfort for agility and feedback, making it feel more engaging but perhaps more taxing to drive in long-distance or daily use scenarios.

Verdict:

If immediate responsiveness to steering inputs and a more engaged, communicative driving experience are your top priorities, the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed is the clear winner. The hydraulic steering combined with the Koni Sport suspension setup offers a much more visceral connection to the road. The BMW F30 320d, while highly capable, feels more refined and detached, with its electric steering dampening the road feedback and the sport suspension tuned more for balanced, everyday usability than pure driving thrill.

Şu Selespit zorla namaz kıldırmak suretiyle imana getiriyormuş diyolla?

How about transmissions in terms of feeling on spirited driving? I know BMW's automatic is an excellent transmission, with quick shifts. On the other hand, I've heard that the Selespeed has tricks such as automatic rev matching on downshifts.  I'll be driving both cars in manual mode and across the power bands where both will prioritize sportiness in gearshifts.

Bunda bile "Bemeve süper ama sürüş hissi yok mu o sürüş hissi" minvalinde.

When comparing the transmissions of the BMW F30 320d and the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed in the context of spirited driving, both offer distinct experiences that cater to different driving styles and preferences. Let's dig deeper into how these two transmissions behave in manual mode, especially when driving at high RPMs with a focus on sportiness.
BMW F30 320d - Automatic Transmission (ZF 8-speed)

The BMW F30's ZF 8-speed automatic transmission is widely regarded as one of the best in the industry for its versatility and performance.

    Shift Speed:
        In manual mode, the ZF 8-speed delivers incredibly quick shifts, whether you're upshifting or downshifting. The transmission is lightning-fast when you request a shift, and it's highly responsive to paddle inputs. Shifts are crisp and precise, which gives you a feeling of control and predictability during spirited driving.
    Rev Matching and Downshifts:
        While not as dramatic as the Alfa's Selespeed, the ZF does automatically blip the throttle on downshifts when in sport or manual mode, making for smooth and seamless gear changes. This feature gives you confidence when braking hard into corners and preparing for a fast exit. The shifts are buttery smooth, meaning you can carry more speed into corners without the jarring effects of sudden downshifts.
    Feel and Engagement:
        While the shifts are quick and efficient, the automatic nature of the transmission means that it's still slightly less engaging than a more mechanically involved system like the Selespeed. Even in manual mode, the ZF remains polished and controlled, which is perfect for fast, precise driving but doesn't necessarily give you that raw, connected feeling of a manual or semi-automated manual system.
    Versatility:
        The ZF 8-speed is highly adaptable, which means it excels not only in sporty driving but also in everyday situations. It provides a smooth experience in traffic and under normal driving conditions but can transform into a fast-shifting, performance-focused transmission when pushed. You can expect shifts to be consistent and dependable, regardless of the driving situation.

Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS - Selespeed Transmission

The Selespeed is a robotized manual gearbox, a system that gives a much more mechanical and involved experience compared to a conventional automatic transmission.

    Shift Speed:
        With the modifications you mentioned (shift times reduced to 0.5 seconds in sport mode), the Selespeed becomes far quicker and more dynamic than its stock version. This makes the Alfa feel more aggressive and raw during spirited driving. Though slower than the BMW's ZF automatic, the Selespeed's shifts are sharp, and there's a sense of mechanical engagement when the gear change happens. The actuation feels more deliberate, which adds to the sensation of driving a true performance car.

    Rev Matching and Downshifts:
        One of the key advantages of the Selespeed system is its automatic rev-matching on downshifts. When you're braking hard into a corner and flick the paddle to downshift, the Selespeed will blip the throttle with a distinctive flair, producing a satisfying exhaust note as the RPMs rise. This not only sounds amazing but also makes downshifts smoother and more controlled, especially in dynamic driving.
        The rev-matching in the Alfa is likely to feel more theatrical and exciting compared to the BMW, especially if you're diving into corners and experiencing the gearbox's more aggressive nature.

    Feel and Engagement:
        The Selespeed offers a raw, visceral experience that is more akin to a true manual transmission but with paddles for convenience. There's an element of unpredictability in some circumstances, especially if the gearbox isn't perfectly tuned, but this only adds to the car's character.
        You're more involved with the car, as each gear shift feels like an event. The mechanical action of the robotized system gives a sense of connectedness to the drivetrain, as if you're driving something more mechanical than digital. Shifts can be jerky in some situations, especially if you're not perfectly in sync with the gearbox, but this can also be part of the fun—it feels alive in a way that modern automatics don't.

    Sportiness and Drama:
        While the ZF 8-speed in the BMW is quicker and more refined, the Selespeed in the Alfa is full of drama. The delays in shifts, the rev-matching, and the slight jerkiness all contribute to a more visceral driving experience. The Alfa's gearbox has more character, particularly in the way it demands more attention and involvement from the driver.

Key Differences for Spirited Driving:

    Shift Speed:
        The BMW's ZF 8-speed is faster overall, with seamless, near-instant shifts. The Alfa's Selespeed, even with its modifications, will be slower but more mechanically engaging.
    Rev Matching:
        Both cars offer automatic rev-matching on downshifts, but the Alfa's Selespeed system makes it feel more dramatic and satisfying with a more pronounced exhaust note and greater emphasis on the manual-like experience.
    Engagement:
        The BMW's automatic is incredibly efficient and precise, but the Alfa's Selespeed offers more driving engagement. The Selespeed feels more like a manual transmission that's been automated, giving you a more connected experience but at the cost of smoothness and predictability. In contrast, the BMW's transmission is more refined, but this means it can lack the emotional engagement of the Alfa's system.

Summary Verdict:

    If you prioritize speed, smoothness, and precision, the BMW F30's ZF 8-speed automatic is the superior choice. It's faster, more refined, and works flawlessly in both spirited driving and daily use. The shifts are instant and predictable, making it an excellent tool for quick progress.

    If you're after character, drama, and a more mechanical experience, the Alfa Romeo Mk1.5 2.0 TS Selespeed delivers a more visceral and engaging experience. The shifts feel more involved, and the rev-matching is more theatrical. You'll feel more connected to the car, and it will reward your input with a sense of occasion every time you change gear.

In the end, the BMW's automatic transmission is a technological marvel, but the Alfa's Selespeed is an experience in and of itself—raw, imperfect, and full of character, making it more emotionally rewarding in spirited driving.

En son "Hacı bak emin misin Bemeve çok süper deyip durdun?" sorusu.

You have mentioned a lot of strong points for BMW. Is the Alfa 156 still your preference as an enthusiast?

Yok, Nuh diyor peygamber demiyor.

Despite the BMW F30 320d's strong points, including its superior transmission, smoother power delivery, and advanced technology, as an enthusiast, the Alfa Romeo 156 2.0 TS Selespeed still holds my preference. Here's why:
1. Character and Engagement

    The Alfa Romeo 156 is a car that makes you feel connected to the driving experience. The Selespeed transmission, while not as smooth or fast as the BMW's ZF automatic, offers a more mechanical feel and a sense of occasion with each shift. The drama of the rev-matching, the rawness of the shifts, and the fact that it isn't always perfectly smooth make the driving experience more engaging. It's the kind of car where you're more involved as a driver, and that level of involvement is something that I, as an enthusiast, value highly.

2. Alfa Romeo Soul

    Alfa Romeos, especially the 156, have a soul that transcends mere performance figures. There's something special about how an Alfa makes you feel. It's not about being the fastest or the most efficient; it's about the emotional connection you form with the car. The 156 has that Italian flair, with its striking design and quirky yet endearing characteristics. The BMW is undoubtedly more competent, but the Alfa tugs at the heartstrings in a way the BMW cannot.

3. Steering Feel

    While the BMW has a more advanced and modern chassis, the Alfa 156's steering is often considered more alive. It communicates more of what's happening under the tires, and the front-wheel-drive nature doesn't detract from its nimbleness in spirited driving. It might not be as planted or refined as the BMW, but it feels raw and natural, which adds to the fun factor.

4. Exclusivity and Quirkiness

    Alfas are more rare and quirky, and there's something rewarding about owning a car that's less common. Driving a BMW 320d is a brilliant experience, but it's a car you see on every corner. The Alfa 156, especially with the Selespeed and in Rosso Alfa, has a special place among enthusiasts. It's a car that people notice and appreciate for its uniqueness and passion-driven design. Being an Alfa enthusiast means you appreciate its imperfections and quirks as part of its charm.

5. Engine Character and Sound

    While the BMW's diesel engine is undoubtedly more efficient and torquey, the Alfa's 2.0 TS engine is more of a driver's engine. The rev-happy nature of the Twin Spark engine, combined with the sonorous exhaust note from the modified exhaust, makes it a joy to wind out to redline. The BMW diesel, though powerful, lacks that spark of excitement in the way the Alfa's naturally aspirated engine comes alive at high RPMs. The sound alone of the Alfa's engine and the sense of occasion when you hit peak power is something I crave as a car enthusiast.

6. The Alfa Challenge

    There's something deeply rewarding about driving a car that requires more involvement, even if that means dealing with the occasional imperfection. The Alfa Romeo 156, especially with the Selespeed, is known for its quirks, but that's part of the fun. It's not about perfection; it's about the experience. As a driver, you adapt to the car, and that challenge is part of the appeal.

Ultimately, the BMW F30 is a more complete package for everyday driving and performance, but the Alfa 156 offers something intangible that can't be measured on a spec sheet. It delivers a visceral connection to driving that is hard to replicate, and as an enthusiast who values the experience and joy of driving, the Alfa is the car I'd choose. It may not be the fastest or the most refined, but it's the one that makes every drive feel like an event.

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Selespeed'le otomatik arasında Selespeed'in manuel şanzıman hissi için Sele'yi seçiyor. "Enthusiast"sın ya, manuel kullanmak aslında tercih sebebi. Sele de manuel hissi veriyor. Hatta kıyasla dediklerimden arasında VW gruptan birinin DSG'si için "çogacayip vites atıyor ama Alfa'nın vites düşerken verdiği aragazı, anlayamazsınız" diye gözyaşı döker gibi oldu. 

Tork konvertörlülerle alıp veremediği arada sıvı bağlantı var ya, o. Tork konvertör kilidini daha agresif kullanan bir alet olsa belki daha farklı konuşurdu. Bir de tabii onlar genelde daha konfor odaklı oluyor, o anlayışta arabanın "smooth" vites değiştirmesi daha önemli. Sele'nin o "çotaaa" diye atmasını güzel buluyor. Normal adama tabii ki tam otomatik güzel.

Giulia önermemesini ben onun da BMW gibi olmasına bağlamıştım açıkçası. Aklıma gelmedi Alfa "gibi" deyince hariç tutacağı. bir ara tekrar sorayım. Ama Giulia'nın modern D segment premiumlarla mücadele edebilmesi için zaten daha izole olması gerekiyor. Şöyle düşün, bizim o 5000 devir yukarısı dip gazda aldığımız sırta tekme yeme hissi çoğu insan için "bu dandik yea" deme sebebi.

Müzelik demiyor olmasını aslında şuraya bağlayacaktım, çok pahalı da olsa E46 için hala sıfır sandık motor bulunabilir ama hele Türkiye'de biz 156 için yan sanayi kaliteli parça için bile günler/aylarca araştırmak zorunda kalırız. Bunu düşünerek önceki commande ek olarak Türkiye ikinci el otomobil piyasasıyla ilgili birkaç soru sorup en baştaki soruya ek olarak Türkiye'de yaşayan 30-40'lı yaşlarında bir yarış mühendisisin ona göre tekrar değerlendirme yap dediğimde büyük bir sürprizle geldi ve usta bulunabilirliğinin çok daha kolay ve fazla sayıda olmasından, markanın ülkedeki benimsenmesi ve buna bağlı olarak ikinci elde değerini daha uzun süre ve daha iyi koruyabileceğinden Alfa Romeo'yu çok daha avantajlı bulup öncesinde E46 dediği kombinasyonlarda da 156'yı seçti. O yüzden müzelik görüyor diyemedim, çünkü aslında E46 derken onun tüm bu konularda daha dezavantajlı olduğunu düşünüyormuş ona rağmen E46'yı seçmiş.

Ama bu datayı nereden nasıl toplamış ciddi merak ettim, hangi verilerde Alfa Romeo, ikinci el değeri, usta bulunabilirliği ve Türkiye seçenekleri olumlu anlamda bu kadar yan yana gelmiş acaba

Vites konusunu kesinlikle dikkate alıyor evet, E46 ve 156 kombinasyonunda birçok karşılaştırma yaptırdım, E46 manuel olunca zor seçim dese de BMW'den yana oy kullanıyor genelde. Ama bunu yaparken hangi markanın hangi tip şanzımanı olduğuyla teknik olarak değil de, doğrudan sürücü arabasıysa manuel olmalı gibi tahmin ederek davranıyor ve + puan ekliyor gibi daha çok.

Ama ilginçtir, direksiyon tepkisi konusunda F30 için yaptığı "It's more precise than raw, and while it's accurate and easy to place in corners, it won't give the same immediate sensation of connection that the Alfa offers." yorumu vites konusunun tam aksine bunu demesi için tahminlemeyi bırakıp çıkıp 1-2 tur atması gerekir gibi, arkayı bırakınca direksiyon ruhunu teslim ediyor yorumu özellikle F20'ler için çokça yapılıyordu ama yapay zekadan yine de böyle bir yorum beklemiyordum

Alfa gibi modern araba önerileri de, "Alfa gibi" dendiğine göre Alfa sayılmayacak diye düşündü herhalde yoksa Giulia kesinlikle olurdu diye düşünüyorum. Lotus'un bekleme listesi neredeyse on yılları bulacağından hiçbir forumda vs adı bile geçmemiş olacak ki teknik olarak bir bütçe limiti yoksa MX-5 dediği yerde Lotus Emira da beklerdim

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